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*** THE ALIYAH REVOLUTION ALBUM ***

Friday, January 18, 2008

Did Gaza break my faith?






Did Gaza break my faith?

I don’t know. I have thought about this before. Often in fact. Losing one’s faith in God is no small thing. And I not only lost mine, it has died and been buried.

I literally had a dream as I was becoming secular where I was walking through the Judean Hills, a stream was within earshot, and I went to look for it. As I approached the stream, with a waterfall sounding the background I noticed a cemetery near the creek. I saw mourners, and as I approached they came to comfort me. Who had died? What was I mourning? Why was I being comforted? And then I saw it, a sefer torah was being buried, and it was my loved one, my sefer torah, that had died. I suddenly realized what was taking place, this funeral was for my loved one, these mourners were there to comfort me! Next to the sefer torah I saw the tombstones of my grandparents. My god! I cried. I said goodbye. I buried torah.


Please understand. I am not looking for theological reasons to come back to religion. It can’t happen. I have buried her. I loved her. Once. She was a major influence on my life, much like my grandparents. Will remain so. But she is gone now, dead. I am sad at this loss, but I can no more resurrect torah in my life than I can resurrect my dead grandfathers.

I woke up from that dream shaken. That was the moment when I stopped pretending that I could maintain my religious lifestyle. It was a lie, and I am not a hypocrite. From someone who dreamed of being a rav to a secular Jew. It was unforeseen. I believed so strongly, so completely. I never thought it could die. But it did.

How?

I don’t know.

I know that it happened the same time as the Gaza expulsion. I do know that Gaza still haunts me. Did Gaza cause it? Not entirely, but it certainly played a part. It must have. I wake up in the middle of the night usually once a week, deeply upset and hurt. I’m waking… what happened? What was I dreaming? Right… Yehuda was being expelled from the home he built in Shirat HaYam. My friends were being dragged from their homes. I am being dragged away from the beach house. By Jews. Because we are Jews. The orange flag flies against the orange sun on the horizon. The greenhouses spring over with their bounty.

Then.

No more. Houses torn apart, bulldozed. Greenhouses ripped asunder, crops turning brown without the water and love they were given by their caregivers.

I know that my friend’s children still wet their pants at the site of police officers. Imagine. Don’t just read the sentence. Imagine what that means. Take a minute, it takes a minute to imagine something so horrible after all. Jewish policemen, in a Jewish State, scaring children so badly for the crimes their colleagues committed that they wet themselves in fear. That their memory and understanding of a Jewish Army and Jewish police force is identical to the memory of someone grabbing them from their parents and dragging them from their homes.

I know that my belief in the power of what I assume to be a destiny to triumph over evil is not a given. That when good people do nothing evil prevails. That those who came and chanted near the gates of Gaza about how terrible this was but dared not enter Gaza chanted with empty voices. The song of canaries. It may have sounded right and beautiful, but it lacked any meaning.

I know that no one seemed to take it seriously. That at best it caused my fellow countrymen to lament how sad it was that Jews had expelled Jews, lacking any real empathy or understanding for the pain those Jews must be in. That Israel must be in. That the Jewish Nation should be in.

I know that I lost faith that I would be able to continue living where I was without facing the same fate. I would dream, no, I would nightmare, every night about the screaming and fighting and crying that would greet me, my wife, our future children, our loved ones, our neighbors, when our turn came. I suddenly feared that it would indeed come.


I know that my grandmother, a kind woman of over 90 years, a doctor, a healer, a liberal, a former German, a current American, a democrat, told me bluntly, that this was the first time Jews were being expelled from somewhere simply because they were Jews and she didn’t understand how or why Jews could do this. This, from a survivor of the Shoah. How it pained me. She never thought she would live to see it again. How empty the chant of ‘Never Again’. How empty.

I know that the beaches in Tel Aviv were full when Gaza was emptied of her Jews.

I know that we speak of Gaza and act (forget?) as if the four yishuvim expelled of their Jewish residents in Samaria are just an after thought.

I know that I still wake up with shivers, sweating, nightmaring of the expulsion of my people. I bleed orange. I love my people and my land and my heritage. I wish we had the courage to be what I know we could be.

I know we have learned nothing. Nothing. Our government is now ready to do to the Jews of Judea and Samaria, of the Jordan Valley, of my home, of the suburbs of Jerusalem, of our holy Temple Mount, of the Old City, of our most ancient graveyard, what she did to Gaza and North Samaria. Palestine must be Jew free. But Israel can have Israeli-Arabs. Why no Jewish Palestinians? If this is an issue of a majority people ruling their land? There is no logic here. No peace. Just hate. This I know. And what do we do? What do I do? Nothing.

When will this nightmare die? When will a new hope arise? Is the awakening of American Jews to the reality of Israel, to her realness, is the Arising of American Jewry as she returns Home the glimpse of this new hope amid the nightmare? Can we be our people’s savior? Certainly we have waited long enough for our turn to fight for our people (shame on us!). Are we ready for the challenge? I don’t know.

I know that when I am casually looking up fun Israeli music on the internet I can’t help but have search strings that return sites about the expulsion from Aza. And I know that I still break down and cry when I see those pictures. Those horrible pictures.

When one has buried God, has seen Torah buried, it becomes exceedingly difficult to find comfort in the words of our prophets, for all of their comforts rest on knowing that God loves us and will comfort us, will lead us out of darkness. I know that I can no longer believe that.

Man, excuse me, humanity, we make our fate. We make our destiny. We decide. And right now, we seem to be deciding to appease evil, to stand by evil, to ignore the plight of others, to pretend they deserved it, or that it is all part of a Divine Plan, and all will be alright, as if the damage has not already been done when children wet themselves at the site of Jewish police, or suicide rates among evacuees is through the roof, or divorces occur because of the trauma, or even, dare I be so self centered, a 27 year old man cries himself to bed when reminded about this trauma because he was foolish enough to think he could look up Israeli music without accidentally coming into contact with his nightmare.

I want to wake up.

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22 Comments:

  • At 1:39 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Put your faith in the God of Avraham, Itzhak and Yaakov and not in a state run by corrupt and nihilistic politicians.

    Everything that was destroyed can be rebuilt. The Jews whose descendants we are were the few who did not loose faith when the temple was destroyed by the Romans two thousand years ago. Remember that.

     
  • At 7:56 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

    My dear brother David,

    Thank you for such a heartfelt piece. I cannot begin to imagine what this ongoing experience is like for you.

    But I think that you still live in the Land of Israel, still are concerned for it and the Jewish people, speaks of a deep and heartfelt religiousness.

    You will be involved in building a better future for the coming generations, and that is a tremendous thing.

     
  • At 1:22 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Uh, Josh...David is in Chicago. Not that the rest of your statement doesn't stand and not that he isn't coming back. I'll bet the farm he is.

     
  • At 2:56 PM , Blogger Ezra said...

    My response, then and now: Aliyah, Post-Amona (and Disengagement)

     
  • At 6:18 PM , Blogger Malkah said...

    Tricky, tricky Sitra Achra...

    Rebbe Nachman says : "In essence, redemption is dependent on faith. The root cause of the exile is simply a lack of faith. Faith, prayer, miracles, and the Land of Israel are all one concept. They are all dependent upon each other."

     
  • At 6:39 PM , Blogger Yishai said...

    Re: "When one has buried God, has seen Torah buried, it becomes exceedingly difficult to find comfort in the words of our prophets, for all of their comforts rest on knowing that God loves us and will comfort us, will lead us out of darkness. I know that I can no longer believe that."

    David, I feel your pain very much. Instead of posting pics from the internet, I can post my own pics, ones I took while living in Gush Katif for a month and half before the expulsion. I will never forget what I witnessed there. Moreover, what you did not discuss was the tragic security situation this heinous act has trust us into. An Iran-sponsored terror-state dedicated to our destruction now resides where beautiful Jewish communities once flourished.

    But the question, dear David, is whether this has anything to do with faith in G-d and Torah. Is G-d real, and did he write the Torah? If yes, then believe no matter what challenges are issued. If no, then why believe in the first place? Gush Katif is just another harsh event in our harsh history. The Tanach is replete with such events and that is why is was written - to give us strength when we're down, and to remind us that we have overcome greater challenges.

    Even more recently, the Shoa was the greatest tragedy of our people. Was the Shoa any less of a tragedy then Gush Katif? Yet, you believed in the Torah after the Shoa - why is this moment different? Is it because you felt it personally this time.

    Don't misread me, I have empathy for you, and empathy for the evicted. However, our faith in G-d is based on principles notwithstanding personal tragedy. (We have a whole book - Job - dedicated to this very topic.) In the final analysis, the Gush Katif victims need our sympathy and support, they do not need our faithlessness.

     
  • At 9:56 PM , Blogger A Work In Progress said...

    Few things:

    Josh and Amitai thanks for your comments.

    1. Yes Amitai, a good bet, we will return within 2 years. Already scoping out properties, very exciting.

    2. Several people wrote back with theological arguments which are meaningless to someone who no longer believes in God. If that makes you feel better, enjoy, if it was at all meant to actually engage the author, it doesn't and won't.

    3. I find truism's about how faith is faith, and faith exists no matter what happens to one to be statements lacking real thought about what it is like for the person who is describing the loss of faith. It IS possible to have been a 'true' believer and to lose that belief. If you can't believe that, you will never be able to engage with those who have become secular and there is no point in further conversation.

    What is the point of stating "they are all one concept" to someone who has a different worldview? To me, it speaks of an arrogance that religious people often have (and I was bothered by this when I was religious as well) that they have been given some personal revelation of truth and their truth is the only truth and if you disagree it is just because you don't understand the whole truth yet. Pretty arrogant considering the varieties of interpretation and understanding of major theological issues (such as life after death) in Rabbinic Judaism over the last 2,000 years. Pretending their is only one is historically inaccurate , theologically untenable, and personally haughty.

    4. I too Yishai could post pictures from my own stay in Aza, except that all of mine were thrown out along with every other picture I ever took over the last 22 years or so when our Land lady did something rather horrible. Wont' go into it in detail. Computer then crashed, and I lost all my Israel pics. Feels really horrible to be robbed of all those memories, but such is life, so tried to find equivalent images to keep for posterity.

    Your point about the shoah would sort of be a valid point. Except that perhaps what I didn't mention was that my family, who experienced the shoah, became nonreligious afterwards. Almost all of them. One stayed religious (my grandpa). I have never judged them for their choices, either to become secular or to become/stay religious. How can I? I didn't experience it, and I have no idea how I would react to such a evil. It would certainly challenge my belief in a just god, just as it did Job. Also, saying we (as in Rabbinic Judaism) have an entire book about this topic, hardly means that is the be all and end all theologically to the argument. There were other books that were written by Jews at the same time period that are left out of tanach that had different interpretations, and we choose to leave them out because they didn't fit into the majority rabbinic scheme. Hardly means many Jews didn't think that way. Or still do. Perhaps it means it wasn't the Orthodox interpretation, but even that is a dangerous statement, and regardless, I am no longer bound in my way of thinking about the world by the limits of thought that Orthodoxy has.

    I've noticed a lot of the posts on kumah from religious Jews are preaching to the choir and are self satisfying, speaking from a perspective of THE truth. That will never mekarev other Jews. Just throwing that out there. I say this to make others aware, not to be a jerk. I think it is important you know how such statements come off and are received by others though.

    I never believed in the Torah after the shoah, the shoah never happened to me. It happened to my grandparents and their family and friends. And that has haunted me plenty and caused plenty of theological problems for me when I was religious. It still does.

    Also, I said in the article that this was a part, a PART, of why I lost my faith in God. Frankly, I don't appreciate the assumption that I don't have valid reasons or well thought out ideas about why I abandoned my previous world view and adopted a new one. But I am not sure that a fruitful discussion about that topic can be had, because everyone is stuck in their corner and their perspective and doesn't really listen to the other person, just looks for evidence to back up their own view. That is an argument not a discussion, and I prefer to have discussions.

    YOUR faith in God is based on principles notwithstanding personal tragedy. Mine isn't. I thought it was, I was arrogant enough to believe it wasn't, and then I experienced something painful enough to challenge that. I dare say that we would all have our breaking point should enough evil befall us. Some would have a higher tolerance than others, but don't tell me that enough evil wouldn't cause you to scream out why - and eventually to consider moving beyond that to asking who you are asking why of.

    I also don't like being told what the Gush Katif victims need. Sympaty and support can come from those with faith and those without Yishai. Part of the problem many of the religious settlers are having (and this is well documented in the psych community) is that when they try to speak about their doubts, troubles, questions, fears, etc. with fellow religious Jews they are rebuffed and told to shut up (nicely) and not discuss such things, to maintain belief, status quo, to trust in God, etc. Kind of like what I'm being told in the feedback right now, or what was hinted at to me in the most recent post. It's an empty statement that lacks empathy and ignores their pain. And it pushes them further towards secularization not the opposite. I speak of this from professional knowledge I have from therapists who have dealt with the refugees, my dad's experience of this (social worker), and my own experience of my friends who were evicted and many of whom are becoming more secular. If you prefer to ignore the problem, fine. If you really want to help them, you must meet them where they are.

    B'ahavat Yisrael,
    David

     
  • At 10:37 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

    B"H
    I think people need to stop patronizing David by trying to mekarev him or challenge his decisions. His questions are valid. His conclusions are valid. Baruch HaShem he cares for the Jewish nation and expresses genuine anguish over Israel's plight. In my personal opinion (and it is only my opinion) this sensitivity for the Jewish people is more important than religious observance or even belief in G-D. I'd like to think (and I could find sources to support this) that G-D would concur with that statement. Any selfish person can become "frum" but a deep love and sense of responsibility for Israel's future is much rarer and more difficult to come by these days. I guess what I'm trying to say is that the very pain that causes David to come to the conclusions he has reached is the very proof that his soul is healthy and connected to the destiny of Israel. Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us.

     
  • At 12:21 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Perhaps as a Gentile, I have no right to even comment, but I felt moved to do so. I hope I am not offending anyone.

    All of her life, my mother has had almost nothing but loss or personal tragedy. I won't exhaust you with the list, but it continues to the present. She suffers everyday and now is losing her house. She struggles often with trying to understand why some people seem to have everything and others nothing but pain and suffering and turmoil and heartache. If I've heard it once, I've heard it a thousand times "Psalm 37 and 73". But, it's not as comforting for her as it used to be.

    In 2002, I was diagnosed with a brain tumor and because of all the metal in my skull, continue to struggle and suffer to this day.

    In my experience, all there is to hold onto is G-D. There have been so many examples of, even in the midst of horrible things, He is there and He is watching out for me.

    Sometimes when my mom asks me to show her evidence of G-D and that He's not just made up, I say "Israel". Even in the midst of the evil committed by Israel's government and police, etc. Israel is back in her land after 2000 years of dispersion. I am so thankful to be alive in such a time as this.

    I'm sorry for rambling. Perhaps I didn't evey say anything important. And there are many questions that G-D has left unanswered for us. But I truly with all my heart believe that He Who watches Israel neither slumbers nor sleeps. And although it does not take away the pain and horror and humiliation of what these folks are going through now, the perpetrators of these acts will get their just desserts.

     
  • At 11:31 AM , Blogger Yishai said...

    Re: "I've noticed a lot of the posts on kumah from religious Jews are preaching to the choir and are self satisfying, speaking from a perspective of THE truth. That will never mekarev other Jews. Just throwing that out there. I say this to make others aware, not to be a jerk. I think it is important you know how such statements come off and are received by others though."

    The statments in Kumah are not arrogant, they are self-confident. Self-confidence is attractive. We are proud of our perspective and thinks it gives people hope and a vision of destiny. You don't like it, fine - there are many blogs to choose from. But Kumah's line has never been divisive unlike the many blogs and outlets that malign religion and Zionism. In fact, it is quite the other blogs and media outlets who pushed for the eviction and the marginalization of Gush Katif communities. I suggest you focus on them as the real splitters.

    Re: "I never believed in the Torah after the shoah, the shoah never happened to me. It happened to my grandparents and their family and friends. And that has haunted me plenty and caused plenty of theological problems for me when I was religious. It still does."

    The shoa happened to me and to all Jews. Do you mean to say that historical events do not touch you because you did not experience them personally? That was my initial point and you are buttressing it. If you believed after the Shoa, believe after Gush Katif, that's all.

    Re: "Frankly, I don't appreciate the assumption that I don't have valid reasons or well thought out ideas about why I abandoned my previous world view and adopted a new one. But I am not sure that a fruitful discussion about that topic can be had, because everyone is stuck in their corner and their perspective and doesn't really listen to the other person, just looks for evidence to back up their own view."

    David, you put your thoughts out there and you should expect commentary on them. Who said you don't have valid reasons? Who said everyone is stuck in their corner? You wrote a whole diatribe about losing faith, put it on a public website, then you attack anyone who proffers opinions to the contrary. If you are trying to facilitate discussion then you have succeeded. If you simply want to blurt out your feeling without feedback then write a book and don't listen to those who read it.

    Re: "YOUR faith in God is based on principles notwithstanding personal tragedy. Mine isn't. I thought it was, I was arrogant enough to believe it wasn't, and then I experienced something painful enough to challenge that."

    Having faith in G-d in the face of adversity is hardly arrogance. Our faith is our only source of solace and now you would have us abandon it to the charge of arrogance?

    Re: "I also don't like being told what the Gush Katif victims need. Sympaty and support can come from those with faith and those without Yishai. Part of the problem many of the religious settlers are having (and this is well documented in the psych community) is that when they try to speak about their doubts, troubles, questions, fears, etc. with fellow religious Jews they are rebuffed and told to shut up (nicely) and not discuss such things, to maintain belief, status quo, to trust in God, etc. Kind of like what I'm being told in the feedback right now, or what was hinted at to me in the most recent post. It's an empty statement that lacks empathy and ignores their pain."

    No one is telling you to do anything; we are having a discussion. It is you who is telling others what they can, and cannot write. Furthermore David, it is my right to discuss what I think Gush Katifers need and there is nothing empty about that. Don't tell me I ignore their pain, that is an empty statement from someone who simply does not know.

    Finally David, let me tell you that I enjoyed your original post and enjoyed the challenge of responding to it. In no way did I think of telling you what to do, limiting your words, or even deleting your blog (which I have the power to do). I simply responded to your points and I expected a mature answer to my rebuttals. Alas, I am surprised at the personal attacks and hostile attitude you evinced. I would never write about you that you are making "empty statements" that "lack empathy" and "ignore pain". Is this yet another example of sensitive people not being sensitive to others? I suggest you continue the discussion on the merits and stop trying to stifle other opinions, especially ones written respectfully.

     
  • At 12:31 PM , Blogger Malkah said...

    Boy, are we having fun or what?

    Yehuda, you write very nicely about David - I'm sure all your testimonies to his character are true - he obviously cares a lot, or he wouldn't be in a state of personal crisis.

    That being said, I don't think anyone is being patronizing. I get that you want to come off as a friend and sensitive to David's plight, and I respect that, but I honestly doubt you think rejecting G-d is okey dokey as long as a person really cares about Jews. If you do think that, then I'm pretty surprised.

    As I see it, there can only be 4 reasons David published his post:
    1. He wants to convince Jews not to believe in G-d because of our current socio-political situation and other personal reasons he hasn't divulged.
    2. He, completely void of any particular desire whatsoever, wants to share in some intellectual debate over an interesting topic.
    3. He wants to discuss the topic of his faith in order to have it bolstered.
    4. He's having an evolutionist coming-out party.

    If it's number 1, he's a pathetic and vindictive bastard. I don't think this is his reason, but if it is, he doesn't care as much about Jews as people claim.

    If it's number 2 - well, let's be honest, it's not number 2. This is an emotional issue, and it's personal, and there's nothing wrong with that.

    If it's number 3, why be ashamed, David? What's wrong with seeking a little comfort and guidance from your friends? Furthermore, I'm not quite sure I understand why quotes from rabbis would be inadmissible - wouldn't we want to go to the experts here? Who better to address issues of faith than the masters? If I want help with my math homework, I go to Stephen Hawking, not Kareem Abdul Jabar. Is your issue that since you no longer believe, you think everyone who did throughout time was a dufus? You don't trust them, they're working for the enemy (aka: G-d)? Well, if they're not qualified to comment on your quandary, then we certainly aren't, and I'm afraid you'll have to search out people you feel you can trust with "THE truth", as you put it. Let's be honest here - you, too, are looking for the ultimate truth. I personally believe there is such a thing, and I don't think I need to be chastised for it just because we're in a fashionable era of postmodernism where everyone's equal and everything's valid. I don't buy it. Sue me.

    If it's number 4, okay, yay for you, everyone knows now.

    David, don't get angry - I'm not trying to dismiss your feelings. I'm trying to give you some tough love, which I think you might need a little more than a pat on the back and a "poor you". You're a soul searcher, and I admire that - great people throughout history have been confronted with crises of faith and lived to tell the tale. Yehuda, I must disagree with your outlook – I don't think we have to be supportive of David's decision to disconnect from Judaism, and I don't think we do him a service by telling him it's okay. It's terrible, and will destroy him, his family, and his children (they should live and be well until 120!).

    David, I don't want to make too many assumptions, and you're obviously not a stupid or simple person. But I wonder if you really suddenly don't believe that G-d created heaven and earth, gave the Jews the Torah, and looks after them on a daily basis. My initial reaction to your post is that you don't lack faith, you lack respect for how G-d runs His world. If that's the case – great! Be pissed at G-d. Yell at Him. Tell Him to change what He's doing. Throw a tantrum. Or give Him the silent treatment. It's really up to you – there are lots of ways to make your point to G-d. But denying the truth of what is true – well hey, that's your prerogative. But you won't be right, you won't help anyone, and you won't feel better.

    I hope you won't ignore the comments made here or run away in a huff because of the disagreement or disapproval some of us have expressed. If you truly value discussion, I believe you will thrush this topic out to its fullest, and give us all an opportunity to get to the core of our beliefs.

     
  • At 12:52 PM , Blogger Malkah said...

    By the way, Z4Zion, I think I can speak for everyone when I say your comments are most welcome, most appreciated, and were expressed beautifully.

    You and your mother should only be healthy and happy, and have reasons to celebrate - G-d bless you.

     
  • At 3:43 PM , Blogger Judah said...

    WARNING: Another "preachy, self-satisfying" post from an "arrogant believer":

    David- If you are looking for affirmation and applause for your announcement on becoming
    "secular", this probably isn't the right address to look for sympathy and a "yasher koach" (pat on the back).

    We identify with your pain and frustration, but not with your surrender. Being a Jew means struggling with faith, wrestling with difficult questions in theology and philosophy, and dealing with adversity- on a personal and National scale.

    It is obvious from your response to blog-feedback that your original post was not a question or invitation for dialogue about Emunah; it was a statement, an answer to the challenges that you (and many of us) are faced with in life. "When the going gets tough..." - the tough don't give up and move to Chicago; we dig deep and try to deal with our problems. If you have lost your will to fight, I am sorry for you, and wish you the best in your new life on the sidelines of Jewish history.
    By all accounts, you seem to be a deeply connected and sensitive Jew; I am sorry for your hurt, and am sorry for your decision...

    Call it arrogance, call it belief: We are looking forward to welcoming you back to Eretz Yisrael soon.

    Kol Tuv,
    Judah Mischel

    P.S. - Does this mean you are dropping "HaLevi" and reverting back to your original (?) name?

     
  • At 6:44 PM , Blogger A Work In Progress said...

    Responses from friends who didn't wish to post themselves:


    1. I found your piece very moving and evoking of powerful images. I will think about it and write you a more detailed response later.

    2. David:

    Thanks for sending me the link to this article. You're certainly my favorite Jewish Epicurian Environmentalist! I can relate to a lot of what you're saying, although obviously I disagree on the two main points (existence of God and the merits of disengagement). I've been having nightmares/stress dreams about being completely disconnected from God lately, not where I have lost faith but just where I feel really far away. Like your dream, I don't think the dream caused the feelings but that the dreams reflect what has been going on in my life, wanting to make aliyah and not being able to and such. A lot of it is because my daily routine has gone from a job I love (at the Justice Department) and learning Torah, etc. to pretty much just going to a job I hate and then coming home and trying to relax so I can go to sleep and wake up the next morning and do it again. I don't have it in me to learn when I get home, hopefully that will change. I am going to try listening to shiurim in Hebrew without really paying attention just so I hear lashon hakodesh and hopefully in some ways that will restore my sense that I have a soul. Shabbat is basically the only time I feel human recently and the perspective I get on Shabbat only heightens my feelings of disconnectedness, because I look back on the week and realize nothing much happened. Anyways, we are saving $$ and paying off our loans, so it is good in the long run and we are getting closer to being able to make aliyah. But it is really hard to be in this situation right now.

    I think you are completely right about the way religious people sometimes address secular people. How people act, rather than what they say, often has a much bigger impact. We were lucky to have encountered really wonderful religious people and have not really had horrible experiences (like the kind you guys had in Israel) with religious communities, and that's had a big effect on our religious choices.

    Anyways, I certainly agree with this guy's comment:

    I guess what I'm trying to say is that the very pain that causes David to come to the conclusions he has reached is the very proof that his soul is healthy and connected to the destiny of Israel

    Don't take this the wrong way, but I think you're probably doing better in God's ledger than a lot of "frum" people. Anyways, hopefully we will all be in Eretz Yisrael soon and can argue about the existence of God and the propriety of disengagement in person! Take care,

    3. Hi! This is Rafi, if you remember me, I am Samuel’s son.



    I wanted to tell you what I think about what you wrote. Your main problem and the real reason why it’s so hard for you to accept Gaza etc, is because you based Judaism, on the wrong morals.

    What most people already told you is that you base Judaism on, that we’re G-d’s people so everything must be good for us, what you forget is that our actions determine the fate of us, whether good or bad. Therefore if horrific things happen to us, it must be because of some sin. So according to them, Gaza happened because of an evil government or our sins etc. Now this is extremely true, but since you don’t seem to accept the good with the bad, I’ll tell you something in which no one else has said to you before probably.

    You base Judaism on the land or Israel. True it is the holy land, but even without it, before we acquired it, before it was even promised to us, we were still Jewish, and even is something happened to the land or Israel, it affected the Jewish people, but only to an extent. It isn’t the bases of Judaism, and that is why when we lost part of it, you world collapsed. Most people like you, come to Israel, thinking you will change the world, and do G-d’s will. I want to ask you a simple question, you don’t have to answer but at least it will come to your attention the answer. Did you ever love G-d? You see everyone I asked so far, said “of course”. But then I asked did they like pizza, them said yes. Now I want to ask you, how many times assuming you like pizza, does the word “pizza” cross your mind in the day? My point is that the same is about G-d. How many times on every single day did the word G-d cross your mind? I’m not talking about oh it’s really great thanks I love g-d because he’s good to me etc... I mean how many times did you feel you wanted to do something for G-d?

    When you said shema, did you have in mind that you are accepting all the pain in the world, than rather do against his will? Looking at where you are now, it seems clear that your whole relationship, was a selfish one, one in which you think you deserve everything and give nothing in return. You know maybe Gaza was a test to people to see how they react to it, to test their devotion to G-d? Maybe it will be built up again and you failed the test?!

    And if your whole relationship with people, is the same with G-d, to just take but give nothing back then you don’t have friends. If it isn’t though and I bet someone in your life once hurt you, you came back with terms with them, them how could you not come to terms with G-d?!

    What you forget is the relationship that we are supposed to have with G-d is not only like father son. That is only for the righteous people, the tzadikim. For the rest of us, it’s a slave and master relationship. G-d does not owe you anything! Ever! Every second is based upon mercy. You not believing in G-d, in my book is no different than the people in Tel Aviv, who were at the beach when the expulsion happened. Because of your hate, especially for the ones who did nothing about the expulsion, you have become one of them! Think about it, what makes you different from all the rest of the people, who did nothing?! You have become the person who you fear the most! You have become your worst nightmare! How do you not see yourself as one of them?



    Besides there is faith and there is believing. Believing is, saying I believe is G-d and will do his will because he created it. Faith is truly beivleing that what G-d does is for the best. They are two different things, and since you have fell on both it means that it broke way before, and it wasn’t based upon the right things.



    I could go on for hours about this but this is the main point. Think about it.

    4. David,

    WOW! I can understand where you are coming from in the sense of how I feel about the organized part of the religioun... I would to talk to you when we get a chance

    5. David, thanks for including me; it's very, very powerful.

     
  • At 5:53 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Hi David.

    This is Zalman.

    I wonder if it was only the Gaza experience that made you question your faith.

    I can relate to what you are saying. Gaza expulsion also shook me to the core. I remember feeling total despair at a demonstration outside Sharon's farm during the disengagement. I have a difficulty now talking to Israelis, because I start thinking whether this person supported this crime or not.

    I will offer you my take on it from a theological point of view; you can take it or leave it. I do not claim anymore to know the right answer for everything. I know that you don't want to hear it and plenty of people here have offered plenty of ideas. However, nonetheless it is a theological issue for us.

    I think that G-d gave us, religious Zionist sector, plenty of chances to stop the disangement but we did not react in time. The expulsion started many years before the 2005. We forgot to educate, mekarev, the non-zionist and non-religious Jews about Judaism and significance of every inch of Eretz Israel (from a religious, historic point of view). We took it for granted. We put more emphasis on conquering more land, building the land, and joining elite units in the army. However, we forgot about the regular people behind who did not buy into our dreams and goals. It is they, who are the critical mass in the decision making whether it be serving in Gaza, or paying taxes to support Gaza operations.

    We also kind of forgot about the problems of our brethren at large. We only focused on the land of Eretz Israel and overlooked that our fellow Jews need help in many other areas like putting food on the table, crime drugs, etc.

    A similar fait might awaits Judea and Samaria if we don't start reaching out to the general public, and reconnecting with them.

    During the months leading up to the expulsion we also had opportunities to put a stop to it or at least make it much harder to carry out. At Kfar Maimon there were only 20-30 thousand people. Where was everybody else? We could have been less passive. We had enough people to break through the surrounding army rings and brake through to Gaza. We did not do it, instead we marched like idiots in a circle while patting ourselves on the back at how civilized and moral we are.

    I saw plenty of kipa sruga soldiers manning mahsomim during the disangement. Majority of religious soldiers carried on their arm duty like usual. Why was there no mass movement among religious soldiers to publicly disobey orders to do anything that even remotely helped the expulsion. To be fair there were brave soldiers who refused to carry out orders but they were a minority.

    We, the religious Zionist sector have placed the state on a pedestal and treat it like an idol sacrificing on its altar things that should never be sacrificed. We try to bend over our backs to convince and prove to the secular and the left that we are patriots and that they should accept us as equals. I am sorry but this is plain insecurity and codependence.

    So I think before we start pointing a finger at G-d , we should do a lot of soul searching because it is we who have failed the residents of Gush Katif. I have to say that they also partook in their own demise for the same reasons mentioned above.

     
  • At 11:19 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

    I for one read through the long winded compositions and I don't buy it for a second. God doesn't exist because of the expulsion, what a joke. This guy just doesn't want to be an orthodox jew anymore and he wants to feel good about it so he comes up with a lame excuse that god doesn't exist. my brother did the same thing. both of you displayed the same unwillingness to have your newfound beliefs challenged which means only one thing, you believe in what is comfortable with you for the moment and that's it. yishai saw right through you and stumped you with the shoa argument and you gave another lame excuse, the shoa didn't happen to you personally, give me a break.

    you can be as long winded and as pseudo-intellectual as you want but you don't fool me. and i'm willing to bet that you aren't doing a very good job in fooling yourself either.

     
  • At 10:52 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

    I want to apologize in advance because I haven't read through all of the comments, and perhaps the issues I want to raise have already been discussed:

    I fail to understand why the Disengagement broke your faith in God. If you had written that it broke your faith in the State of Israel, and that you were no longer a Zionist because you came to the conclusion that, if the State of Israel could be capable of throwing Jews out of their homes just like the Nazis did, then it COULD NOT be "reishit tzmikhat ge'ulataynu", then I would understand. But because the leaders of the State of Israel "soured" and most of the Jews went along with them, you lost your faith in God? I don't understand. What does God have to do with the Disengagement? Do you not believe in God because he let it happen, because he didn't miraculously rescue the people from their own government? Surely, as someone who knows history pretty well, you couldn't have been expecting that. Why would you have expected more from God or from the leadership of Israel, which only twenty-five years ago threw people out of Yamit the same way it threw people out of Gaza?

    And so I also don't understand why you would want to move back to Israel if it's such a terrible place. As great as Israel is, it isn't as free as the USA.

    I think that, perhaps the answer comes from the growth of the "dati leumi" philosophy and the way the State of Israel is sanctified by the dati leumi rabbis as the culmination of Jewish history. This approach has become much more mainstream over the past twenty-five years. But perhaps it is incorrect. I am still a Zionist and do still believe that Israel is "reishit tzmichat ge'ulataynu", but if the State of Israel, God forbid, fell, or if it really turned into a place where religious Jews could not live peacefully, then I would leave and I would not lose my faith in God. It would mean that I was wrong and put my own hopes in a false messiah, and I would continue to be religious and pray to God to prevent me from making that kind of mistake in the future.

    In any case, I don't think that the Disengagement can be compared to the Sho'ah. I think that the majority of the people involved in it (though of course not everyone), and the majority of Jews in the State of Israel, sincerely wants what's best for the future of the country and the Jewish People, and the ones who supported the disengagement supported it because they thought it would make Israel stronger. They were wrong, but they cared.

    I've been working for the police for the past six months as a volunteer, and their dedication to the State and its people is exemplary. They go to work and do their jobs and put themselves in danger every day to protect the Jewish People, and as long as I see people like that in the country, I'm going to remain optimistic.

     
  • At 2:30 PM , Blogger Malkah said...

    David,

    Shalom! I hope you are planning a reply to all the people who have commented on your post - I think it's time, don't you?

     
  • At 4:01 AM , Blogger A Work In Progress said...

    Thanks for all the feedback. I have been thinking about it quite a bit these last few days (weeks?). I will respond with a new post when I have the time to compose my thoughts.

    Thanks,
    David

     
  • At 12:22 AM , Blogger Yishai said...

    Moments of Clarity: Faith, Atheism, And the Meaning of Life
    By David HaLevi

    There were a lot of comments made to my post “Did Gaza Break My Faith” and I wish to respond more fully and completely. I do not plan on responding to every remark, nor do I think it possible given the limitations of space I can reasonably use and expect you to read.

    I also do not wish to respond apologetically to many of the ad hominum attacks that were made. Though the judgments of my peers’ matters to me, I won’t insult you by pretending it doesn’t, it is also something I will not make choices based on. Those who know me best made wise remarks, those who didn’t took what I said as an insult to their faith and responded by attacking me. I do not wish to respond on a defensive ground where we go back and forth and get involved in a he said she said argument.

    Rather, I will try to more fully explain some of my thoughts and where appropriate incorporate comments that were previously made.


    I did not intend my original piece to be a theological attack on religion, God, Judaism, or anything related to the above. I did not intend for my piece to be a theological piece at all, though of course as Zalman points out, it was a theological issue, for me in part, and for others who are religious Zionists certainly. Rather my piece was intended merely as a reflection on my own thoughts as they related to Gaza when it was happening. I DID have a very whole and complete faith. You can either accept my word for that or not. Those who know me know that it was true. And I DID lose that faith completely. I am truly secular now. This bother’s many religious Jews. They think this somehow insults them, or indicates that I think myself better, superior, wiser, enlightened. I think none of these things.

    Many picked up on the fact that my language in the article was religious. This is true. And I am glad that this came across. The reason for this was that I was attempting to write from the perspective of the David who existed then, and he was a religious person, and I was trying to capture that moment of crisis when faith was lost. It isn’t easy to do, in part because it was not a moment in time in which it happened but rather a series of events whose confluence led to this new world view.

    I did not come to this conclusion lightly. I do not take such an issue lightly. It tore at me. It started slowly and as I realized what was occurring I took action. I spoke with my rosh yeshiva for hours. I went to Yom Kippur services and tried to pray, to seek out God, to find what I had always found before but no longer could. I sought out one of my rebbeim on Yom Kippur and stayed up the entire night talking with him. His words wrung empty and hollow in my ears. I was saddened and disappointed. I didn’t give up. I sought out other rabbis, had many more conversations, but alas, it wasn’t meant to be. And then the dream takes place and you know the rest (or enough of it anyway).

    Where Gush Katif fits in here is as the shocking event that allowed me to step back and re-examine my worldview. It takes a momentous event to allow one to re-examine the most basic and fundamental aspects of one’s identity and conception of how the world works, and what if any meaning exists therein. Gush Katif was for me an event that was shocking enough that it allowed me to ask questions I had never before asked. So it was not Gush Katif itself that led to my secularization, but rather opened the door for such a possibility. When I sought out answers to my questions I was unsatisfied, deeply unsatisfied with the answers. And a confluence of other occurrences and ideas and views of the world and Jews and Judaism led to my new found conclusion. Chief among those was my loss of faith in the mesorah and the main reason for that was that I found the most intelligent Jewish people of faith I spoke with to be offering what I felt to be superficial answers. Additionally, the attitude I was met with, the hatred that often existed among religious Jews, and the hypocrisy I found among many of my settler brothers and sisters upset me deeply. I will post another article shortly that I wrote a few years ago about this hypocrisy that I think is as important today as it was then. It must be fixed.

    It should be noted my wife is religious and I have the utmost respect for her. My brother is religious and I love him dearly. My parents are religious. Most of my friends are religious. I love them all. You cannot box me in and stereotype about atheists or religious people. Neither are holy, neither are perfect, neither have an exclusive claim to truth. We see the world differently. And in this case, speaking as a Jew to Jews, as members of the Nation of Israel, and as members of the new nation of Israel that is being created and resurrected in the Land of Israel, we must find a way to have a conversation that does not rest on one side seeking victory over the other. Neither side has the right to claim the other. This does tend to be the attitude from religious Jews to their secular peers, and I understand that it is out of love, but it is also going to further create a divide that will make it increasingly difficult for any real and meaningful conversation to take place and that would be a travesty, for there is wisdom that you have to share with the secular. But be open to the possibility that the reverse is true as well.

    I keep most mitzvoth still out of respect to both my wife and my ancestor’s tradition. I am shomer Shabbat, kashrut, taharat mishpacha. That is more than I can say for many ‘orthodox Jews’ who cheat on these mitzvoth all the time. I don’t pray, because what would be the point? Who would I be praying to? I enjoy listening to the Torah reading on Shabbat because I can enjoy the stories of our people and ancestors and the wisdom the stories have, but I leave for the prayer.

    I tell you this so you can better understand my position.

    But I think what is really important here is the issue of Jewish identity and nationhood. There was an underlying, and occasionally overt statements in the comments, that my lack (or anyone else’s lack) of faith indicated a missing component of their identity as a Jew. That is a mighty big statement to be making and it is the one I wish to address the most directly. I think something that has a bearing on it is the following question:

    Is there such a thing as a Jewish philosophy?



    This question exists as a ‘good’ question because when we think of (analytical) philosophy, we often associate it with a universalizing, truth seeking model of thinking that is in opposition to a revealed truth that we accept on faith (be it Jewish or otherwise). The revelation is then the source of our though and defense often using the same tools that philosophy uses. So the question is are they incompatible or is there a possibility for them to dance together? Many philosophers, Jewish and otherwise (and I mean ethnically/religiously) have proclaimed there can be no such thing as a Jewish philosophy (or an Islamic philosophy, or a Christina philosophy). But rather there is philosophy and theology.

    This may seem an unrelated question, but it is not. It is central to our question.

    For the question, ‘can there be a Jewish philosophy’ exists on the assumption that philosophy, seeking truth, universalizing, etc. is in opposition to a revelation. This is probably true. But we are making the additional assumption that revelation is the key element of religion. This is certainly true for some, especially fundamentalists (and I mean this definitionally not rhetorically). But this does not have to be true.

    To quote a professor I recently heard speak (who I won’t name here as I don’t think he would want to be on the blog – and who I am paraphrasing to the best of my ability), “Humanity faces an essential loneliness. This stems from our knowledge of our own death, that from the moment of our birth there will be an end point. And as a result, we, understandably, seek love and affirmation.”

    To put it another way, we seek a meaning to our life.

    Judaism, independent of one’s acceptance of Sinai as a revealed truth by God, offers a wisdom, a meaning of life, a worldview. And to this end, there is certainly a Jewish philosophy.

    This is important to understand since it means that those who are fundamentalist in their interpretation of revelation and the meaning of life that Judaism offers should not seek to claim other Jews as their own (‘you too are religious, or you are a liar, or you can’t really think that, or that is bad faith, or that is bad Judaism’), as many such claims were made in the comments to the previous post. Yours is not the only path to a meaningful life that is Jewish.

    Israeliness could also serve as a potential meaning to life. And this too could be, at least in basis, a Jewish philosophy or answer. Zionism exists in this realm as well. What I would be willing to argue, and that based on the comments section I am guessing most of the readers of this blog would agree with, is that while the revelation itself may not be critical in our understanding of Judaism, our acceptance of parts of the tradition is. What meaningful existence can one have as a Jew if one abandons the entire tradition? I would argue none. Perhaps that person will find an alternate meaning, one that is in a completely different realm/world, but I think there are strong arguments and reasons to be made for staying within the tradition one is born into or that one feels a strong natural affinity towards. So I think that those who would jump to judge “Israeliness” or “Zionism” as successful models of meaning need to inquire if the examples they are thinking of are people who did so within the Jewish tradition or without. It is up to each individual to decide what the tradition means to them, and within what context it will take on meaning.

    If the goal of Kumah is to promote brotherhood and sisterhood among the Jewish People while encouraging them to make aliyah, literally, and metaphorically (as I DO thus understand Kumah’s mission statement), then we must embrace this idea of “70 paths to truth”.

    Ba’ahvat Yisrael UKol Bnei Adam,
    David HaLevi

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    Anonymous said...

    Dear David,
    I'm not as intelligent as you and sometimes intellectualization can be a great coping mechanism but also a curse. Because you are so intelligent your thoughts end up going round and round and never come in for a landing.

    Let me say what the religious Jews have taught me. Perseverance in prayer! What is more compelling than seeing Jews come and pray at the Kotel 24/7!! And what for do you ask?? Because this is what has caused the Jewish people to survive against incomprehensable persecution for over 4000 years! By all accounts the Jews should have been snuffed out long ago but they are still here and I believe the one constant has been PRAYER!! Which means, there is a G-d who hears and who protects the Jewish people. Perhaps not in the way we would like or want but nonetheless Jews are still on this earth. That is real, that is tangible and you can wrap your arms around it! THERE IS NO GREATER MIRACLE THAN A JEW IN ISRAEL!! judith


    Anonymous said...

    No one but God himself can deny you the right of choosing your own way to interpret your traditions. This is obvious. That's not the issue you raised.

    I was looking forward to you backing up your reasons for abandoning your faith. I think those that responded to your first article did a really good job of arguing that the events of Gush Katif don't make themselves as adequate reasons for giving up an inch of faith. Gush Katif could not come as a surprise to anyone taking the briefest perusal of Jewish History.

    Let me ask you this, is it God that you lost belief in or God's revelation to the Jews? I think that would be a good place to start with. If it's God you lost faith I would like seeing something like "Why God Doesn't Exist" in your next blog. If it's the Sinai Revelation how about "Why the Sinai Revelation is a Scam". Or if it is how the Torah is expressed by Judaism how about "Oral Torah? Are You Joking".

    Be who you want to be, but if you are writing about a faith crisis, back it up a bit more. This would interest me.

    josh said...

    Could you post a link to 'the' article. I wouldn't be otherwise be interested except that I remember being a fan of k'cholmim (I huess know why I don't remember the last time I heard about them) and would wonder why someone associated with that initiative have issues with Hashem. Thanks.

     
  • At 12:27 AM , Blogger Yishai said...

    Dear David,

    1. Your latest post belongs as a comment on the earlier discussion.

    2. This discourse, however meritorious, does not belong on Kumah.

    3. There is no phrase that goes "“70 paths to truth”. Rather the phrase is "70 faces of Torah". It would behoove us to keep that distinction clear.

    YF

     
  • At 3:09 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

    David, I truly respect your statement.

     

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